Fahrenheit 9/11

[CDThardass]

New objections to 'Fahrenheit 9/11'

Group asks public to call executives at theaters where film critical of White House will be shown.
June 15, 2004: 9:53 AM EDT


NEW YORK (CNN/Money) - Amid Disney's previous objections, Michael Moore's film "Fahrenheit 9/11" is scheduled for release next week, but the movie that criticizes the Bush administration's policies in the wake of the Sept. 11 attacks faces another challenge.

A conservative organization called Move America Forward, formed in May to rally support for U.S. troops and the war on terror, has asked the public to call and e-mail executives at theater chains scheduled to show the film, according to Variety.com.

"Michael Moore has the right to free speech," said MAF Chairman Howard Kaloogian, according to Variety. "But so do millions of Americans who find his anti-military propaganda and attacks on our troops offensive."

The group has supplied phone contacts and e-mail addresses for executives at national and local theaters where Moore's film is scheduled to play.

Despite the calls to pull the film, any attention "Fahrenheit 9/11" receives is likely to boost its already high profile. The film won the top prize at the Cannes Film Festival this spring.

"One of the most important lessons everyone can take from 'Fahrenheit 9/11,' whether they support the war in Iraq, oppose the war or are undecided, is that we need less censorship in this country, not more," said Tom Ortenberg, president of Lions Gate Releasing, which is distributing the film, according to Variety.

Previously, the movie was scheduled to be released by Disney's Miramax unit, but the entertainment conglomerate balked at the release amid the film's critical content.

The movie will now be released though Lions Gate, IFC Films and the Fellowship Adventure Group, which is run by Miramax founders Bob and Harvey Weinstein


I saw his bowling for colimbine movie, and i will see this movie too, so i have some hard facts to BLAST THE SHIT OUT OF IT, the last one i saw in a sociology class and it was TRUELY horrible, i hope he gets aids, then poolio, then the plague, then gets gang raped in jail... he should be tried for treason.

[CDThardass]

oh yea, i got that from CNN.com, the "liberal" news web site

[CDThardass]

But then i did a little more reading and found this on FOXSnews.com


'Fahrenheit 9/11' Gets Standing Ovation

The crowd that gave Michael Moore's controversial "Fahrenheit 9/11" documentary a standing ovation last night at the Ziegfeld Theatre premiere certainly didn't have to be encouraged at all to show their appreciation. From liberal radio host and writer Al Franken to actor/director Tim Robbins, Moore was in his element.

But once "F9/11" gets to audiences beyond screenings, it won't be dependent on celebrities for approbation. It turns out to be a really brilliant piece of work, and a film that members of all political parties should see without fail.

As much as some might try to marginalize this film as a screed against President George Bush, "F9/11" — as we saw last night — is a tribute to patriotism, to the American sense of duty, and at the same time a indictment of stupidity and avarice.

Readers of this column may recall that I had a lot of problems with Moore's "Bowling for Columbine," particularly where I thought he took gratuitous shots at helpless targets such as Charlton Heston. "Columbine" too easily succeeded by shooting fish in a barrel, as they used to say.

Not so with "F9/11," which instead relies on lots of film footage and actual interviews to make its case against the war in Iraq and tell the story of the intertwining histories of the Bush and Bin Laden families.

First, I know you want to know who came to the Ziegfeld, so here is just a partial list.

Besides Franken and Robbins, Al Sharpton, Mike Myers, Tony Bennett, Glenn Close, Gretchen Mol (newly married over the weekend to director Todd Williams), Lori Singer, Tony Kushner, "Angela's Ashes" author Frank McCourt, Jill Krementz and Kurt Vonnegut, Lauren Bacall (chatting up a fully refurbished Lauren Hutton), Richard Gere, John McEnroe and Patti Smythe, former U.N. ambassador Richard Holbrooke, Carson Daly, NBC's Jeff Zucker, a very pregnant Rory Kennedy, playwright Israel Horovitz, Macaulay Culkin, Philip Seymour Hoffman, Kyra Sedgwick, Linda Evangelista, Ed Bradley, Tom and Meredith Brokaw, director Barry Levinson, NBC anchor Brian Williams, Vernon Jordan, Eva Mendes, Sandra Bernhard and the always humorous Joy Behar.

If that's not enough, how about Yoko Ono, accompanied by her son, Sean, who's let his hair grow out and is now sporting a bushy beard that makes him look like his late, beloved father John Lennon?

And then, just to show you how much people wanted to see this film, there was Martha Stewart, looking terrific. I mean, talk about eclectic groups!

Now, unless you've been living under a rock, you know that this movie has been the cause of a lot of trouble. Miramax and Disney have gone to war over it, and "The Passion of the Christ" seems like "Mary Poppins" in retrospect. Before anyone's even seen it, there have been partisan debates over which way Moore may have spun this or that to get a desired effect.

But, really, in the end, not seeing "F9/11" would be like allowing your First Amendment rights to be abrogated, no matter whether you're a Republican or a Democrat.

The film does Bush no favors, that's for sure, but it also finds an unexpectedly poignant and universal groove in the story of Lila Lipscombe, a Flint, Mich., mother who sends her kids into the Army for the opportunities it can provide — just like the commercials say — and lives to regret it.

Lipscombe's story is so powerful, and so completely Middle American, that I think it will take Moore's critics by surprise. She will certainly move to tears everyone who encounters her.

"F9/11" isn't perfect, and of course, there are leaps of logic sometimes. One set piece is about African-American congressmen and women voting against the war with Iraq and wondering why there are no senators to support them.

Indeed, those absent senators include John Kerry, Hillary Clinton and Ted Kennedy, among others, which Moore does not elaborate upon. At no point are liberals or Democrats taken to task for not speaking out against the war, and I would have liked to have seen that.

On the other hand, there are more than enough moments that seemed to resonate with the huge Ziegfeld audience.

The most indelible is President Bush's reaction to hearing on the morning of September 11, 2001, that the first plane had crashed into the World Trade Center.

Bush was reading to a grade-school class in Florida at that moment. Instead of jumping up and leaving, he instead sat in front of the class, with an unfortunate look of confusion, for nearly 11 minutes.

Moore obtained the footage from a teacher at the school who videotaped the morning program. There Bush sits, with no access to his advisers, while New York is being viciously attacked. I guarantee you that no one who sees this film forgets this episode.

More than even "The Passion of the Christ," "F9/11" is going to be a "see it for yourself" movie when it hits theaters on June 25. It simply cannot be missed, and I predict it will be a huge moneymaker.

And that's where Disney's Michael Eisner comes in. Not releasing this film will turn out to be the curse of his career.

When Eisner came into Disney years ago, the studio was at a low point. He turned it around with a revived animation department and comedy hits such as "Pretty Woman" and "Down and Out in Beverly Hills."

But Eisner's short-sightedness on many recent matters has been his undoing. And this last misadventure is one that will follow him right out the doors of the Magic Kingdom.


maybe he shouldnt be tried for treason, i will not post again on this topic until is see this pile of shit for myself

[Associate289]

hes a liberal piece of shit

go to http://www.mooreorpig.com

[ZaQ]

Moore looks like a kid that was in one of my classes when I was in high school. Man, I hated that kid. He was a Moore supporter too, so I don't feel bad about picking on him. I remember he was reading one of those liberal-hippie-shit books one day so I started throwing little tiny paper wads at him. He'd get mad and turn around to see who it was and I just acted like nothing was wrong. I start throwing them again and eventually he got mad and turned around and said "Hey, stop that!" But I didn't stop, toward the end of class he got really mad and screamed at me. When he turned back around in his seat, I threw a book at me. Goddamn liberal-hippie-tree-fucking-piece-of-shit

[MansonTheTool]

Yeah, Bowling for Columbine was an easy target to skew toward liberal view. I caught the article on Fox News as well and thought about seeing it after I read it. What really pisses me off though is how everyone thinks that by joining the guard and wearing the uniform, all of your college money worries are going to be taken care of without even a remote thought of being called up for active duty. Oh well, hopefully someone will stage a military coup and off him and Noam Chomsky (sp?) along with all of the tree huggers.

[Murtin]

There was an OP-ed piece in one of the New York newspapers where some liberal floated the idea that national guard members should be allowed the chance to resign thier commitment because "this is not what they envisioned doing"... I mean nobody is making them joing the NG and no one is making them go to Iraq; if they don't want to go they can serve thier time in prison for dereliction of duty

[Associate289]

agreed... if you join the the natty guard or reserve and then bitch and moan that you get called up, you're an idiot... and if you refuse to go, I hear Leavenworth (sp?) is lovely this time of year....

[natedogg42]

http://www.bowlingfortruth.com

i hate the fucker

reservists/ng that don't go when called up shouldn't be put in prison, thats too much.....too much of a strain on us taxpayers, they should be lined up and shot :)

but thats just what i think

[MansonTheTool]

Murtin: you have to be kidding me. I wish I was still down at school where we get the NYTimes everyday so I could have cut that article out and posted it on my "Why I hate liberals, terrorists and other scum of the earth" wall.

[Holt]

he may be a jerk, but he does make some valid points in his work

[natedogg42]

holt, ur such a tool

i respect in this order:

dogshit > holt > terrorists > michael moore

[MansonTheTool]

No no, Holt is right. But my main problem with Michael Moore is the way his sticks true to liberals in that he points out myriad problems yet offers no solution at all - not even an attempt.

[Murtin]

i think both manson and holt should check out natedogg's link for bowlingfortruth.com... the creator of the website does a damn good job of ripping that piece of shit "documentary" bowling for columbine to shreds... Moore is just a liberal with an agenda and a talent for filmaking wehich he uses to manipulate people who don't know any better to go along with his bolame america first attitude... fuck that fatboy, let him choke on a bear claw

[Ckim715]

Moore is a douche. simple as that.

[Zirkowitz]

anybody else see him on the mtv movie awards? i didnt realize i could, but i lost respect for him when he went to fucking mtv to promote his "documentary."

ps - beats

[MansonTheTool]

Murtin: I've read that site several times. I in no way support Michael Moore, as he uses the common liberal tactic of bringing to the table problems in society to further his own status as a critic. Of course, in typical liberal fashion he does not ever offer a solution. Don't get me wrong, I think the guy is a major douchebag myself, but I can still respect his opinions and desire to bring about questions into the mainstream. I'd rather have someone like him pointing out the problems than another ignorant young adult who can tell you all of the American Idol winners but not a single current event.

[MansonTheTool]

Zrikowitz: Yeah, nothing like using MTV to mold the minds of the brainless generation X as part of his strategy. Man, MTV needs to go as much as Moore does. I solely blame MTV for today's crappy music, crappy music industry and apathetic teens.

[Kenai Hef]

Regarding the National Guard and Reservists who want to resign...let 'em. Let them out, and use this as a lesson. A better screening process might be appropriate before letting just anyone into the military. Right now, one of the biggest reasons our military is this best in the world, and has grown in leaps and bounds over the military of the past, as shown in history books, film, and literature, is the fact that we're an all-volunteer force. Everyone in the military wants to be there, and has asked to be there. There's no more implementation of the draft, and if you're a grunt with a gun facing a bunch of bad guys (which I, admittedly, am not), you know that the dude next to you at least asked to be there. There's no reason to send those people that want out to leavenworth...that would just take away resources to punish criminal offenders. Violent criminal offenders. Basically, you just let them out with dishonorable discharges, and don't let them back in any sort of civil or military job again. They can spend the rest of their life paying taxes to support the people that do want to serve their country. I know we're short on people these days...so about the best middle-road on this would be to remove the people that want out of the military from combat zones, and make them mark out the rest of their time cleaning and counting towels in the BX...and when they are let out of the service, make sure their records show that they were let out in an "other than honorable" way.

In regards to the "celebrity support" for Moore's new film...who the hell cares? The audience in question is not an accurate cross-section of American people, so if they like the movie, let them. And Cannes is held where?

As far as Moore is concerned...he's barely worth talking about. I saw about 10 minutes...forced myself to watch his last movie for only 10 minutes on cable TV, before I decided to turn it off. I just didn't agree with it, and it wasn't compelling enough to change my mind. But, he can saw whatever he wants to offend me, whatever he wants to shock me, barring obscene or pornographic material, and I'll support his right to say it. But I won't agree with it. This is something that you should be aware of as cadets, for sure, because I know I was taught it over and over again in the form of a quote back when I was a cadet, and I think you've heard it too, so I won't bore you with it. This is just my take on the entire issue.

Summarized...you don't like Moore...ignore him. If he riles you up to the point where you hate him...well...he wins.

[Gambit]

Not bad for a zoomie that flies in cricles, Hef. Right on. ;)

[cornbread]

i plan on seeing it if its showing anywhere near me. i lean more towards being a liberal, and i'm sure the film will be somewhat biased, every film maker has an agenda but i think it would be worthwhile to see. the website that yall posted earlier is just as biased as the film is, its just done in a different medium. besides, for people who are conservative, its good to get a look at the issues from a different side.

anyways, yay for fort polk, i gotta get back to work now... go army BIDS systems

[Associate289]

im still trying to figure out how you go to wp, and you lean towards the liberal side...

[Jleiter]

As for the “All-Volunteer Army”, bullshit. You’re probably just as likely, if not more, to get a pacifist or a coward or a drug addict in the foxhole with you now as you were in Vietnam or Korea or the War of 1812, especially when you’re talking about the national guard. In fact, now we also have the added bonus of having to depend on some female who joined because she wanted to play with all the little boys who look cute in uniform and spent half of basic training on her back under her drill sgt. I myself would happily choose the WW2 draftee fighting for a cause over the “Army of One” fighting for his, her, or it’s $5,000 enlistment bonus.

[Sammy Sandbag]

i'm sure the film will be somewhat biased

Ya think?

[MansonTheTool]

As Gambit said, right on Hef. Any "view" from Hollywood makes me laugh hysterically. I can't believe people actually take professional actors making millions of dollars for an almost worthless skill seriously. Them along with sports stars.

[Associate289]

Seriously, they are all out of touch with the real world; their heads are too far up their asses. Dennis Leary does a bit on that subject, its pretty funny.

[Zirkowitz]

i'm sure the film will be somewhat biased

Ya think?

Yeah, I think that qualifies as the understatement of the year

[CDThardass]

i'm sure the film will be somewhat biased

Ya think?

Yeah, I think that qualifies as the understatement of the year

definatly, understatement of the understatement of the past 20 mins

[She-ra]

This thing will be a documentary in the same way "Triumph of the Will" was a documentary. It serves the same purpose. And thats all the republicans need to say if they want to put down this movie.