branching at USMA.. aka: more ways to piss off ROTC

[Aries]

ok. dont know if yall read the time article, but they decided to go a different way with branching for the class of 05 at USMA. cadets put in bids for their branch. how many years extra would you be willing to serve if you got your first choice. anyone who said at least 2 years extra got it, with a few exceptions. a certain amount still had to go combat of course, and you werent getting aviation without passing the AFAST. so again, another reason to go to USMA, you get your branch if you are willing to stay in longer.

[Associate289]

theres been talk about doing that with rotc... but yeah, fuck you

[Skull6]

Shit. It would be a turn for the better if they did something like that at the Blue Zoo. The way it is now, grads aren't even guaranteed AC slots, let alone their MOS choices...& the PTB went ahead & increased the lenth of committment anyway.

(Now the PTB are "force shaping" (read: fancy name for a RIF") some (even USAFA grads), & if the gubmint paid for their education, those "force shaped out" are being told they have to repay the gubmint for that education! Who the fuck broke the contract here?)

[Aries]

slower...

[Skull6]

Hell, what can I say. It's always been my opinion that USAF has allowed technology to cloud their judgement, & now I see evidence of the same in the old US Army hierarchy...

[Aries]

all i know is that if you want something bad enough, you will be willing to add on extra years to get it. I would have said 5 extra for AV, 4 for AR, 3 for FA and 2 for Engineers (although I still would have gone combat Engineer, to Sapper school and then to Ranger school)

and 10 to not go Infantry

[Associate289]

you dont have to add 3 for FA, no one wants it. FA, AD, OD, CM were the four branch choices that were offered before accessions to kids who wanted guaranteed active duty in that branch. maybe I should have taken FA...

[Aries]

yeah, thats ROTC tho. chances of getting force branched ADA is higher than FA. but if I had stayed in ROTC I probably would have taken the FA slot, instead of risking going reserve.

[LSUSAF04]

Shit. It would be a turn for the better if they did something like that at the Blue Zoo. The way it is now, grads aren't even guaranteed AC slots, let alone their MOS choices...& the PTB went ahead & increased the lenth of committment anyway.

(Now the PTB are "force shaping" (read: fancy name for a RIF") some (even USAFA grads), & if the gubmint paid for their education, those "force shaped out" are being told they have to repay the gubmint for that education! Who the fuck broke the contract here?)

Just curious, what's your source of info on any of this?

[Skull6]

The PTB at USAFA & other grads on another forum whom its happening to as we type.

[LSUSAF04]

Well, while USAFA doesn't "guarantee" their cadets AC slots, they really do. They almost force their cadets who meet the physical requirements for pilot to take the job. I've heard of instances from academy friends who were physically qualified for pilot slots but didn't want them, have to report to the COC to explain why not. Many of the cadets there no longer want pilot slots b/c of the increased service commitment and the fact that UPT is another year of hardcore studying and academy-like BS.

And as for the force shaping and the repayment of tuition, I've never heard of that. My whole commissioning class was offered the option of getting out right before we commissioned without us owing a cent back to the government. Something sounds very funny about that to me.

[ceryiorlan]

That actually isn't true. Branching this year worked the same as always, you rank all the branches and are assigned based on your class rank, and the number of slots available.
However, they did allow certain people who did not get their first choice on the first go around to agree to extra years IOT get their first choice. This was only for certain people and branches though, I think only combat arms.

[Associate289]

That actually isn't true. Branching this year worked the same as always, you rank all the branches and are assigned based on your class rank, and the number of slots available.
However, they did allow certain people who did not get their first choice on the first go around to agree to extra years IOT get their first choice. This was only for certain people and branches though, I think only combat arms.

A few things...

1)Read the inprocessing forum rules, and give your introductory post.

2) LSU was talking about air force, not Army.

[Aries]

i dont know if said person was talking to me or LSU. that is the aviation symbol as well as the Air Force thing.

[Associate289]

yeah but he mentioned combat arms, is there such a term in the AF?

[Aries]

who? LSU or that person. cuz I mentioned it. and i think they are USMA.

[Associate289]

the other kid. I think we're both confused here. My point is that I dont think he's Air Force, because he used the term "combat arms", which I dont believe is part of AF lingo.

[Wes]

That would be because he isn't talking about the air force, he is talking about USMA.

[Skull6]

LOL..not really.

They still have the mentality that if your ain't a pilot, you ain't shit. I don't see that changing any time soon.

Oh, & heavies will always be treated as lesser humans by fighters--I don't see that changing any time soon as well.

[Aries]

Army Aviation - Above the Best

[Skull6]

LSU, where are you getting your fucked-up "opinionated" info? You a grad, as I am? You daily speak with grads, as I do?

If not, shut your fucking cakehole & listen. P.S. Ever heard of that cadet honor code? I STILL live it. If I had any doubt, you wouldn't have heard it from me.

[Gambit]

OK, you people are all missing a few brain cells today, it really doesn't take much to figure out the wawy this conversation is going.


i dont know if said person was talking to me or LSU. that is the aviation symbol as well as the Air Force thing.

Aries, you of all people should know, the aviation symbol is NOT the same as the "Air Force thing"... look at LSU, THAT is the "Air Force thing".

Second, the Army AV dude was talking about the ARMY, and LSUSAF04 (note the USAF in there) was talking about the AIR FORCE.

Finally...


LSU, where are you getting your fucked-up "opinionated" info? You a grad, as I am? You daily speak with grads, as I do?

If not, shut your fucking cakehole & listen. P.S. Ever heard of that cadet honor code? I STILL live it. If I had any doubt, you wouldn't have heard it from me.

Skull, you need to sit down and shut the FUCK up. You talk shit about the cadet honor code, but you obviously stopped at the end of that sentence, and passed on the day they taught about respect. LSU stated the knowledge that he was apprised of, and where it came from. He didn't tear you down, nor did he imply that his was the only correct set of statements. So do everyone a favor... until you've got more than a few hundred posts, or until you personally know ANYONE on this board, treat everyone else here with the respect that a fellow human being deserves. That, or head over to ArmyRanger.com, since it's full of a bunch of fucksticks like you who think everyone with different experiences is a lesser life form.

Six OUT.

[Aries]

skull does know Sammy doesnt he?

and i could have sworn i have either seen USAFA or AFROTC cadets wearing those wings on their covers.

and also, Skull has been on this board only a month less than you have bro. he just didnt post a shitload.

[Sammy Sandbag]

FIGHT! FIGHT! FIGHT!

[Gambit]

skull does know Sammy doesnt he?

*shrugs* Given his attitude, I wouldn't do Sammy the disservice of associating the two.


and i could have sworn i have either seen USAFA or AFROTC cadets wearing those wings on their covers.

I've seen something like that too, but come on, man, this is neither USAFA nor AIFAF. Context, brother, context.


and also, Skull has been on this board only a month less than you have bro. he just didnt post a shitload.

So he knows us... that doesn't mean we know him, nor does it give him license to disrespect others on the board. I took offense to his tone and ill-advised comments, and my opinion of them stands.


FIGHT! FIGHT! FIGHT!

:-? There's no fight here, but I'll laugh at you if you keep yelling!

[Aries]

yeah. but along the same lines didnt we have a discussion on letter of the law versus interpretation or something like that the other day? the possibility of an AF puke seeing that and using it is decent. just wanting to be different.

and we arent going to be like those jerks over there on the other board who are gonna seriously try and tell people that they shouldnt disrespect us. the guy has my respect cuz 1) he didnt piss me off yet, 2) AF who crossed into the Green and 3) you dont like him

[Gambit]

and we arent going to be like those jerks over there on the other board who are gonna seriously try and tell people that they shouldnt disrespect us. the guy has my respect cuz 1) he didnt piss me off yet, 2) AF who crossed into the Green and 3) you dont like him

LMAO... I'm not trying to tell him he should respect us for what we've done... just because he's no better. He won't have my respect until he stops being a self-righteous prick. But then, I guess that's another reason for you two to get along... ;-)

[Aries]

hey..

im not self-righteous

[Gambit]

Are you the pot, or the kettle? Or just black? ;-)

[Aries]

http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=self-righteous

ok. so maybe i am.. but still...

[Gambit]

the defense rests, your honor.

[Skull6]

Lighten up, Francis O'Gambit.

After all I've posted in here about my personal past, to have LSU call me out & not react?

Try getting into the http://WWW.USAFAToday.com forums or the USAFA AOG Forums to validate my statements. Oh, that's right--y'all ain't grads like me, to be able to hear this shit straight from the horses' mouths. I guess I'll have to remain your font of knowledge on this issue. Rest assured I'll give it to ya straight--like it or not.

What do I care if I have your respect or piss you off. I appreciate free & open dialouge. Thanks for your 2 cents. Really.

[CDT_TEX]

meanwhile... back at the topic.

I would bid 60 years to be Quartermaster. That would be rad.

---TEX

[Gambit]

TEX, I'd give a few years to have ears like your avatar's....


After all I've posted in here about my personal past, to have LSU call me out & not react?

My point remains: if you re-read his post, you'll see that he did NOT call you out. He stated what he had heard, and then what he had not heard of. I'm not quite so sure where your wires got crossed.

[Aries]

we done bitching at each other here?

[neo]

Never with these women.

[Gambit]

NOW who's the kettle?

[Aries]

i like tea

[Skull6]

Boiling water for my Ranger coffee would be preferrable...

[killernurse]

I like tea also. Good choice.

[LSUSAF04]

LSU, where are you getting your fucked-up "opinionated" info? You a grad, as I am? You daily speak with grads, as I do?

If not, shut your fucking cakehole & listen. P.S. Ever heard of that cadet honor code? I STILL live it. If I had any doubt, you wouldn't have heard it from me.

I'm so sorry mr academy graduate god, you and your grad buddies must be the all knowing powers of everything b/c you went to the academy and you are all hot shit.

If you reference anything I said, none of it was "opinionated" and none of it was directly attacking anything you said. I was offering my experiences from my personal life and from people I know who are academy grads that I have talked to. You on the other hand decided to personally attack me and what I had to say.

I don't appreciate your mentality and simply because I didn't go to the academy, but got my commission through LSU AFROTC does not make me any less of an officer or a person. It does not mean that I also do not live the honor code and the core values.

I'm also so sorry that I'm actually too busy doing my job to read everyone's personal background on this site and magically be able to tell from one post that I read from you that you were an academy grad and your whole life story and that I haven't been able to get back to your reply sooner.

Please forgive me for being such an ignorant ROTC officer from Louisiana. I'm so sorry to have offered my experiences on an open message board in a tactful manner.

[Aries]

I forgive you, dumbass ROTC kids. always trying to step up to the Academy guys.. havent yall learned yet 8)

[Sammy Sandbag]

I forgive you, dumbass ROTC kids. always trying to step up to the Academy guys.. havent yall learned yet 8)

Don't you have to be a graduate to say shit like that? Ooooo, burn. Now FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT!!!

[Skull6]

I will never place myself or any other grad above anyone that received their commissioning from any other sources. Once you're an O-1, there's no difference in my mind. Same duties, we just got there using different routes. But when discussing issues pertaining to MY alma mater, I will consider myself closer to the source. I’ll never make a statement such as “All LSU students & alumni are racists” because I simply don’t know. I’ve never been there. & I certainly wouldn’t paint a broad brush over it’s entirety based upon the one or two folks who might have shared their personal opinions with me.

LSU said
” Well, while USAFA doesn't "guarantee" their cadets AC slots, they really do. They almost force their cadets who meet the physical requirements for pilot to take the job.” Consider yourself speaking of the very rare exception, instead of the rule here. But then, you did use the plural in your statement…

I did call you out on questioning my sources. If you're not going to arm yourself with all facts available, just saying "well, I heard..." ain't going to cut it. Especially when the "I heard..." was so far into your statement.

Guaranteed AC slots are very rare anymore for USAFA grads, & tend to be MOS specific. There are NO guaranteed pilot slots anymore. There is no "...but there really is." Those physically qualified for UPT are ranked solely based upon a set of criteria that includes academic performance in college, written pilot testing results, & a review of your military records. Any reference to school names or commissioning sources are removed from the selection packet before this review. & they've become real sticklers on this, trust me.

Last I heard, a certain number of slots for what we used to call the "Cessna" program & "SERE" (as well as other programs offered at USAFA over & above simple academics) Have been set aside to be filled by cadets from other commissioning sources. So we don’t even have that bennie all to ourselves anymore. (I’ll certainly confirm this ASAP, though.)

Except for the knowledge that I successfully completed 4 years of that Hell, I see very few benefits or differences between attending USAFA or any ROTC program--except those in ROTC are free to do as they wish when not in drill or class, & the National media isn't putting the ROTC program in its entirety under the microscope as they have USAFA for the last few years.

I’m sorry you’re so sorry…

[Gambit]

You know, Skull, for someone so old, I'm amused that you are still an expert on USAFA happennings, as opposed to someone who is working with people JUST out of it.

Also, your quote didn't take into account the next sentence in LSU's post, which started with "I've heard of instances from academy friends"... just because he's from Louisiana and speaks backwards doesn't erase your need for the intelligence to read more than one sentence at a time.

Either way, his comment didn't warrant your personal attacks, end of story.

[Jake the Skillet]

It seems that everyone is confrontational today, hopefully tomorrow will be more pleasent

[littisassy]

Actually, from what I understand, they did the same thing for ROTC kids.

[GIJared]

Actually, from what I understand, they did the same thing for ROTC kids.
why on earth did you bump this?

[airjun]

..........................beat him up.