When are we allowed to Wear Class A's?

[CDT_TEX]

Sorry for the question, but I'm a brand new contracted cadet, and I want to know when to wear my class A. For example, instead of renting a tux for my gf's prom, Can I wear my dead sexy Army greens? Thanks for the help.

[neo]

A.) Your Greens are not sexy

B.) You can wear them in place of business attire at almost and function. Though, unless you have a P/R cord you may look homo

[Gambit]

A.) Your Greens are not sexy

Seconded.


B.) You can wear them in place of business attire at almost any function. Though, unless you have a P/R cord you may look homo

Use your discretion; if ROTC finds out you wore your A's to a strip club, for example, you're asking for trouble. But as long as it presents ROTC well, go for it... I got out of a speeding (95 in a 55) and reckless driving ticket that way, wore the uniform (P/R cord included) to court... ;)

[Ezmartini]

I don't get the big infatuation with P/R. Having a P/R cord would make you look homo according to my Ranger friend. He compares it with wearing a Ranger Challenge tab.

As for the green's "sexiness", I surely don't think so but the girls around here thing differently ;).

[Ezmartini]

DISCLAIMER: Before y'all get pissed off at me, P/R is practically nonexistant on the West Coast. Therefore we don't give a damn about it.

[Cerebroden]

well for one we don't play PR's like your little ranger challenge friends
and for a newly contracted cadet i'm guessing the only things on your uniform are your ribbons for grades and pt tests, so the cord definently adds something too it

[TheTokenGook]

Can I wear my dead sexy Army greens? Thanks for the help.

definitely a new cadet


But as long as it presents ROTC well, go for it... I got out of a speeding (95 in a 55) and reckless driving ticket that way, wore the uniform (P/R cord included) to court...

Somehow I don't think speeding and reckless driving represents ROTC well, but hey, if it gets you out of a speeding ticket.

Either way, what Neo said is basically true. Especially about the PR cord. And if anything, the Class As are not sexy, professional yes, but sexy no.

[Un4given]

Good God I hate wearin' the A's or the B's! I love these BDhooahs for life! ;)
I get a nice response when I'm in my BDUs, the females definitely like it. Just make sure if you wear any uniform (i'm telling you this because you're a n00bster) that you wear it with pride and correctly. Dont be sloppy with it, you'll look like an ass. And I highly suggest that you go out, take an ass whoopin' for a couple months, and add some purple to your shoulder. ;) Yall know! ;)

[Associate289]

I don't get the big infatuation with P/R. Having a P/R cord would make you look homo according to my Ranger friend. He compares it with wearing a Ranger Challenge tab.

yeah I agree with you concerning the whole pr thing. all these idiots here rave about it. but I guess since we're not "in" we dont know...

[TheTokenGook]

yeah I agree with you concerning the whole pr thing. all these idiots here rave about it. but I guess since we're not "in" we dont know...

of course Associate would say that.


B.) You can wear them in place of business attire at almost and function. Though, unless you have a P/R cord you may look homo

[neo]

I liken being a non-P/R to being a virgin.

You think life is grand but you have no idea what you are truly missing out on.



And P/R's is way different from the Ranger Challenged. While I did both the same sense of pride and accomplishment does not exist in RC as it does in P/R.

[neo]

I liken being a non-P/R to being a virgin.

You think life is grand but you have no idea what you are truly missing out on.

I forget the ending...

"And you are unaware of your lowly unfourtunate status in life"

[HerdROTC]

since I love to get myself in trouble over at ROTC as well as everywhere else, can I borrow someone's PR chord? J/k

[Ezmartini]

I wasn't likening P/R to RC, just stating that compared to an infantry cord and AD personnel, the P/R cord seems kinda wannabe. But like Associate said, maybe we just don't know because we're not "in."

[Associate289]

I liken being a non-P/R to being a virgin.

You think life is grand but you have no idea what you are truly missing out on.

:roll:

[neo]

A.) The cord doesnt look exactly like the IN cord, though similar.

B.) I may be wrong but did we not have the P/R Cord prior to the IN cord?

[Ezmartini]

Only if Pershing existed before Washington.

[Aries]

Shoulder Cords and Aguilettes

Eighteenth Century European armies used cords and aguilettes to distinguish service branches and officers from enlisted. Many Continental Army units adopted this custom. After the American Revolution, cords fell into disuse until the Mexican War. During this war some Mexican military leaders threatened to hang any captured U.S. Officers. Many gallant men defiantly wore short ropes on their shoulders as they pressed home the attack in mocking tribute to their enemy's empty threat. Cords and aguilettes soon officially reappeared to denote various positions and awards and have remained with our Army until this day. The most commonly used cord still in use is the Infantry Blue Cord worn by the U.S. Army.

Infantry Blue Cord

General Washington selected the color blue to distinguish his tough and resolute infantry in the Continental Army from other types of soldiers. General LaFayette chose a light blue color to outfit his American Infantry Corps. For the next 120 years, the official Infantry color alternated between blue and white until 1904 when the Army officially adopted what we now know as "Infantry Blue."

In 1951, the Army leadership sought to encourage and recognize foot soldiers who were bravely fighting intense battles in Korea. They soon adopted the Infantry Blue Cord. This cord would only be worn by fully qualified Infantrymen and would announce for all to see that these men would be on the front line when our nation was at war.

Today, enlisted graduates of Infantry Basic Training receive their blue cord at the end of their final FTX. Graduates of the Infantry Officer Basic Course complete their weeklong final FTX and after road marching back to building 76 have their blue cords pinned on them by their platoon trainer NCOs. The SSG or SFC who pins on the blue cord then renders an honorary salute in symbolic recognition of their welcoming the Lieutenant into the ranks of the Infantry.

[neo]

In 1951, the Army leadership sought to encourage and recognize foot soldiers who were bravely fighting intense battles in Korea. They soon adopted the Infantry Blue Cord.



Does that not mean we had the mother fucker before the Infantry Branch did?

[Ezmartini]

You're right, I misread the quote.

Still, does being part of the oldest frat on campus make me more special?

/Would rather have infantry cord than PR cord

//obvious

[Associate289]

yep

[Aries]

I dislike the Ranger challenge tab cuz its an exact copy of the Ranger tab, most of the RC guys here rip it off of their BDUs when they go to FTXs and there are real Rangers around. My Cord however I wear proudly on my Class A's even if someone with an Infantry Blue or any other cord is around.

by the way, do you wear any of your ROTC ribbons on your Class A's? just wondering, cuz they are nothing but mocks of the real ribbons worn by active and reserve soldiers.

[Ezmartini]

Touche.

[HerdROTC]

I have to agree w/ Aries in regards w/ the wearing of the RC tab. I have not and will not sew mine onto my BDU's. I've heard stories of guys attending schools like Abn and AA and people just doggin the hell outta the guys that have their RC tabs on. I have mine on my class A's however. I am proud of what I have accomplised through RC and ROTC, and in my own beliefs, when yer in yer A's, ya gotta put on all the "bling" ya can. I do wear my ROTC ribbons on my A's as well because I am proud of what certain ones mean. Yes, I have a few BS ones, but ones for academics, color guard, RC etc. all mean stuff to me. If I was in a real unit, I would cut back on the ROTC ribbons, but for now, it's all I have to be proud of. This summer I may get my jump wings, and if and when that happens, that will bring me more pride than any tab or ribbon up until this point. I think the argument regarding wear of cadet ribbons etc. while in Cadet Land should end. We are all cadets, regardless of if we SMP or not, 90% of the time, we are all stuck doing the same ROTC stuff. Let the people be proud of what they've earned, and at the same time, respect the people that have earned ribbons through service in the real Army.

[Ezmartini]

Yeah, only ONE person in our battalion wears the RC tab, and it's kinda ridiculous. He has it on his greens and his BDUs, and he went to Airborne this past summer! I haven't talked with him about it, but I'm sure he got some shit for it, especially at a place like Benning.

HERD brings some good points. I am proud of my ribbons so far, both the DA ribbon and the "we're all winners" ribbons. I think I actually started out just jabbing at the P/R guys and for some reason I decided to defend myself. What can I say, it's my nature.

[Associate289]

if you were in a real unit you cant mix rotc and real army ribbons...

[Associate289]

oh and the ribbons are still bullshit, i dont wear them... i dont deserve a ribbon because i got a 4.0 in ROTC, thats just gay

[neo]

Look most ribbons can be BS depending on the circumstances. Hell the ARCOM and MSM are almost given out like candy to officers. Leave a unit- get a medal! Does that mean you shouldnt wear them? No it doesnt. I wore my tab, I wore my rank shield, I wore my P/R Cord, hell I even wore my P/R NATCOM Award(How many of those do you see?), and I wore each of those damn retarded color guard ribbons. Why? Because regardless of the gay-ness factor I earned them and I spent time doing whatever I had to do to get the damn stupid piece of cloth. Why not be proud of them?

ROTC isnt the real army. Dont act hard or like something is dumb. If wearing the RC tab is dumb then why do you even bother doing RC?

[Associate289]

Im not acting "hard", I just hate getting awards for doing something that doesnt deserve a piece of colored ribbon...

[Ezmartini]

The RC tab is a very special exception. I will never wear it. I do RC so I can get some good PT in, something that's not made for overweight women. It's also fun and I learn skills.

I told my friend about it, who is in the 2nd Ranger Batt, and he said one thing: "Don't wear that up here." I tend to agree.

[CDT_TEX]

Thanks for all the advice! You guys rock. And I'm not a PR (Pershing Rifles?) guy, I'm a Ranger Challenge man myself, but I DO have a contracted cadet cord...

I could also borrow my dad's Viet Nam medals... lol
---CIB,
---Purple Heart
---Valorous Bronze Star...etc.

and no, don't flame me about it... I seriously would never wear my dad's medals.

[Gambit]

I don't get the big infatuation with P/R. Having a P/R cord would make you look homo according to my Ranger friend. He compares it with wearing a Ranger Challenge tab.

Every P/R I know from my Company that has gone to RANGER has come back saying it was easier than our pledge period. Take that as you will.


Yes, I have a few BS ones, but ones for academics, color guard, RC etc. all mean stuff to me.

Exactly our point, I believe. Yes, it's trite to say that 'you don't know if you're not in', but the fact of the matter is that for each of the P/Rs on this board, the organization has left a deep and lasting impression on us. You don't have it, and that's fine... with all due respect, I honestly believe that you would enjoy it, and are missing out without the possibility to join. Take it for what it is: we're intensely proud of the organization and our affiliation with it, and therefore we are proud to wear any items that we earn in its service.

As to the RC tab and other BS ROTC ribbons, same thing... whether you 'earned' it or not is only in your head... you wouldn't have gotten it if you didn't meet the qualifications, therefore you earned it (the wisdom of creating a ribbon for, say, a blood drive is a different story though). Wear it because you earned it, but don't act like because you have them you're better than anyone else. You're only as good as what the ribbons actually stand for.

Finally, the RC tab specifically... I think the whole debate is dumb. Just like the ribbons... you're not wearing a Ranger tab here, folks, and no RC stud should ever think he's as good as a Ranger. Take it for what it is, and be proud that you can wear it, if you actually did earn it.

[neo]

And G is right on....


PRLTMFW... You figure it out

[Ezmartini]

Pershing Rifles Leads The Mother Fucking Way....?

[Sammy Sandbag]

I don't get the big infatuation with P/R. Having a P/R cord would make you look homo according to my Ranger friend. He compares it with wearing a Ranger Challenge tab.

yeah I agree with you concerning the whole pr thing. all these idiots here rave about it. but I guess since we're not "in" we dont know...

Hell I'm an alumnus and I agree as well. Not with whole homo thing, but just the fact that you all could tone it down a bit. This isn't a P/R forum, we have one specifically for that. How whould all you P/Rs feel if this site was inhabited by a majority of Scabbard & Blade members and all they did was talk about it in the public forums? Get my point? Continued discussion on this topic can take place in the P/R forum. Anything further here and it'll be locked.

Now back to the original topic. BTW Tex, remember you'll need a white shirt and bow tie for that occasion. My personal choice would be a tuxedo, just because I would want to avoid the attention/the A's are not a very good looking uniform.

[Ezmartini]

Yeah I used to think the A's were the coolest thing in the world. Now I accept the fact that they make me look like a busboy. A busboy with a stupid hat.

[Associate289]

its kinda funny, im color blind so they look brown to me, and yeah I agree with sammy, wear a tuxedo...

[6-gun Mikey]

not to bring some dead stuff...but the real purpose of ROTC ribbons is simply this: to teach cadets how to properly wear the uniform, including spacing and order of importance.....I wore all my ribbons in ROTC, even the gay ones for grades, blood drive, NALC Grad, etc....I even broke our BN's rule that you can have no more than 3 rows of ribbons on your uniform at once...'Mikey, why did you break the rules? did you think you were being a bad ass or something?'....now I knew youd ask that...the answer is no, I wasnt trying to be hard or stick it to the man...I was showing them how gay their rule was...no more than 3 rows of ribbons, yet Cadet Command's policy is use ribbons to teach proper uniform wear etc...however, in the Real Army, you are permitted to wear all, some, or none of your awards, badges etc...so in the end, it is your decision despite the intent of the ribbons in ROTC....which, yes Associate, I agree are queer as folk....why in hell do I wanna wear a shit, grass, and grape juice colored ribbon anyways?....

[Associate289]

your battalion commander called you mikey?

[6-gun Mikey]

oh, and when I left the JHU cadre as GBR, they gave me the AAM, not the ArCom or MSM...does that mean I actually accomplished something?.....seriously, I dont know....amybe I should read my Junior Woodchucks' Guide Book, er Army Officers' Guide.....

[Associate289]

for some reason I was awarded the armed forces communications and electronics award, possibly because im a physics major...

[6-gun Mikey]

arent you still a cadet?....and if so, is that a cadet award?....cool stuff, I never heard of it....

[Associate289]

yes i am and yes it is

[6-gun Mikey]

slick....

[Aries]

the only things i wore on my As when i got to ROTC was my AA wings and my NSDM. I switched to P/R ribbon after i crossed cuz i earned that more than i earned my NDSM.

back on subject tho, never wear As if u can rent a tux

[Associate289]

faries, are you still in rotc?

[Ezmartini]

back on subject tho, never wear As if u can rent a tux

And never rent a tux if you can get by wearing a t-shirt and jeans, or at least slacks/dress shirt.


faries, are you still in rotc?

BAHAHAHAHA

[6-gun Mikey]

pretty damn sure he is still in cadetland.....

[Ezmartini]

10 bucks says he isn't. I think he's explained his story before.

[Sammy Sandbag]

for some reason I was awarded the armed forces communications and electronics award, possibly because im a physics major...

I recieved it too. It's an award from some military organization (I forget the name.) There are others like it. They aren't actually designated ribbons/awards by CC, yet they are authorized for wear (as a cadet of course.)

[neo]

I got the american order of the purple heart award or some shit like that. The medal you could wear was even an exact replica of the purpleheart, you had to get close and read it to understand it wasnt one.

[killernurse]

i have that too. don't wear it, though. stays in the pretty box at my parents'

[Ezmartini]

Anybody get the Sons of the American Revolution award? I definitely wear it because it's the coolest looking one I've seen. Yellow/Blue with a silver sword on it. And it's the only real award I've gotten so far.

[killernurse]

believe so. also in a box with the rents.

[Associate289]

last year one of the kids in my battalion got the "sons of the confederacy" or something like that award, funny thing was he was black

[Associate289]

and before anyone starts yelling at me, I know that they dont stand for racism and slavery, its just kind of funny...

[Aries]

not in ROTC anymore. not at West Point anymore. Active Duty Civilian

[SteveB]

Ugh, the only ribbon I've earned (except my P/R Active ribbon) is The Society of the War of 1812. Not a bad looking ribbon, but I need more bling on my uniform.

[Ezmartini]

Your school must not have the "you showed up for Lab 75% of the time" ribbon.

[killernurse]

mine doesn't either (tear)

[Aries]

faries

you mother fucker. i just noticed that wasnt a typo.

and someone owes EZ 10 bucks

[neo]

Dude Corky is faster then you.

[Gambit]

ZING!

[Dmd_Fan_CadetCOL]

As it has been stated by now, Yes you may. However you ofcourse will be in public view, so you may want to avoid beer,strip clubs,extreme profanity and things like that. Rmember you are reviewd and judge at ALL times by the public, make us proud. Oh yeah if you wear it ,you may want to pick up a white shirt and a black bow-tie for it.