I finally did it.

[Dark Phinx]

Well, I've decided to quit the Air force career and give army ROTC a try. How bout that? Any pros and cons about army? please do tell. :D

[TheTokenGook]

well, i did 2 yrs AF (AS 100 & 200) and 1 yr Army ROTC ( MS 1) and I definitely liked Army ROTC a lot better. You actually learn something other than D&C and you aren't usually taught by morons whom are on the level of JROTC kids. Also, in general, AF cadets have a pole up their ass, while Army cadets are jackasses (just look at this forum). Have any questions, you can just ask just about any of us on the board, especially Domer. He's had several years in both.

[TheTokenGook]

I screwed up there a bit, I did MS 2 yr. Since you've already done' AFROTC, it might be best to skip the MS 1 yr. I don't think you really learn anything that you won't pick up quickly in your MS 2 yr.

[Sammy Sandbag]

So what made you take the leap DP? Please don't tell me it was this site, then I'll feel responsible when you hate your life in AROTC. Pros and cons? Hmmm, just like any job there is the good and the bad. You run across people you get along with and like, and you'll also meet plenty of no talent ass clowns. Army Pro: versus the Air Force, we aren't concerned with the little stuff. I'll let you figure that out. Army ROTC uses Infantry squad tactics as the test bed for your leadership potential, instead of your memo writing abilities. On the other hand, you'll spend more time humping pointless crap around the woods and going to bed soaking wet in the dirt, but some consider that a pro. Like I said, it has pros and cons just like any job. Try it out and see how you like it. If you have any other specific questions, let us know.

[Dark Phinx]

I was thinking about going army rotc for a long time ever since my Maj. told me that I have " a chance in hell " to get a POC allocation. :( So, why not just take a year off and give army a try. :) If I don't like it, I'll go air force and take my chances. Another reason is that lots of people dropped out of AFROTC, and the ones who are left are those stuck up coccy SOBs. :evil: I really have a grudge against those guys, long story.

Also, i want to know how to use a gun before I go to field training, not just go there and be dumbfounded to just hold a gun for the first time, and repel off buildings. AFROTC don't offer that, atleast here, that is. All we do D&C all the time, customs and curtesies, how the Air FOrce works, and mostly death by power point. Yea, It really does suck, they're so screwd, they also changed how POCs get allocated. No GMCs are suppose to go to PT or take the PFT unless they are contracted, how does that work? O.k I'm just rambling on, but that's how it is here, anyways. It's just crazy, and all the butt kissers in afrotc here do more than kiss butts just to be on the top of the chain, which really does suck, even though many ther people do more things then they did. Glad I got out while I still can.

I can't wait. :D :D :D

BTW, is there really a dance party at Camp? :shock: I thought it would have been like the field training similar to the AFROTC, because I saw a year book of some camp when I went to the Arotc building. I don't know if it was camp challenge or advanced camp, but there were people in civies dancing around at camp? :shock:

Also, will I get the full benefit of FTOs and CTAs screaming at me? :D

[Sammy Sandbag]

POC? FTO? CTA? GMCs? All this Air Force speak is confusing the hell out of me. But I think I can answer your questions.
BTW, is there really a dance party at Camp?

WTFO? Hell no there ain't no dance. You were probably looking at a year book from the '70s. Advance Camp ,now National Advance Leadership Camp (NALC), used to be much longer, something like eight weeks. And it was around the Vietnam War era, so everyone knew where those cadets would soon be going. So they were a little more slack on those guys, they had dances, a bar, and water skiing trips. These days, you'll be lucky to get a few hours off for a PX/phone run.


Also, will I get the full benefit of FTOs and CTAs screaming at me?

I'm guessing FTO=field training officer and CTA=cadet training assistant. If that is the case, then no. All the cadets at NALC are undergoing training with you. The basic unit you will be placed in, is a platoon (around 50 cadets). Each platoon has Tactical Training Officers and NCOs. You'll have one 2LT, usually fresh out of ROTC, one Major or Captain, and one senior NCO, usually a Master SGT. As far as getting yelled at by them, that really depends on who you get, luck of the draw if you will. I personally didn't get any ass rammings, but I witnessed a few. If you are getting one, it's usually because you fucked up somewhere. The majority of the time the Cadre are giving a speech style ass chewing to the whole platoon and not to a specific individual. Time constraints are a bigger pressure than cadre yelling at you.

[TheTokenGook]

Another reason is that lots of people dropped out of AFROTC, and the ones who are left are those stuck up coccy SOBs. :evil: I really have a grudge against those guys, long story.

All we do D&C all the time, customs and curtesies, how the Air FOrce works, and mostly death by power point. O.k I'm just rambling on, but that's how it is here, anyways. It's just crazy, and all the butt kissers in afrotc here do more than kiss butts just to be on the top of the chain, which really does suck, even though many ther people do more things then they did. Glad I got out while I still can.
:D

Man, you sound a lot like me when I got out. Yeah, the most cocky people are the POC who just got out of field training or the dipshits who pledges arnold ass society. Do you know why you don't like AFROTC and why these suck ups get ahead? It's becasue the Col probably likes it up the ass. And you did the right thing of getting out while you can. Honestly, I didn't learn anything in AF lab, and just a few historical things in the class. I'm actually thinking about ADA with the Army after I graduate. Good luck to ya kid.

[Domer]

Mazel tov, Dark Phinx! I think you'll enjoy it... i did.

I really like the avatar, too. Do you play the demo everytime you get mad?

[The Sharaffe]

If you're gonna do Army, all you really need to know well as a Cadet is D&C, currect uniform wear, the rank structure, and how to do operations orders inside and out. The rest will be extra when you hit your real training. Being a PT stud can't be overstated though, most people judge you on how fit you are...and if you aren't scoring around a 300 as an officer, people think you're either lazy or a shitbag. (Either one is bad)

[AirborneAli]

Dance party at camp.....I about fell off my chair laughing at that one.

I think Army ROTC, and maybe AF (I don't know) is really all about learning to work with people. Very little I learned in ROTC helped me at all in the real Army, save uniform wear. It was the way that I learned to work with people and lead peers that came in useful later.

Congratulations - you've made a wise and stupid decision. I wouldn't leave the Army for anything, but the AF sure does look nicer from this side....

[Sammy Sandbag]

the grass always looks greener eh?

[AirborneAli]

True Dat!

[Varn]

Apparently it's just the popular thing to switch over (since I did it too, thanks for the free ride my first year USAF), but no you'll like the Army better. Camp isn't the cadet run bootcamp that Field Training is, and labs, you may actually learn something besides the words to High Flight. Goodluck.

[Sammy Sandbag]

Apparently it's just the popular thing to switch over (since I did it too, thanks for the free ride my first year USAF), but no you'll like the Army better. Camp isn't the cadet run bootcamp that Field Training is, and labs, you may actually learn something besides the words to High Flight. Goodluck.

Apparently we just attract your kind here. I'm not sure why it seems so many AF cadets are switching over. The chief complaint seems to be that AFROTC doesn't really do anything. I have yet to hear of an Army cadet going to the Air Force. I'd like to get some official numbers from cadet command and the AF version of CC . It would definately be interesting to see how many have switched.

Also, welcome Varn to AisforArmy.

[Varn]

Actually had one of our boys go AF cause he wanted to fly planes...and he wanted to be a ranger his MSI year, and well we all know somebody like that.

[TheTokenGook]

I never really switched over, but one thing that really hurt me in AFROTC was that they like spot light rangers and I just didn't say "airpower" enough to their liking. Being co enrolled in AROTC wasn't too popular with the cadre either. They said I was "playing army" and such. They wonder why they have such a problem with cadets switching over and such. Maybe they should just look at their "star" cadets and see how most of them are buddyfuckers or brown nosers.

[Gambit]

I'm not sure why it seems so many AF cadets are switching over.

I'm told that right now AFROTC is exceeding mission, and they're doing some really asinine things to cut down numbers... fail one PT test and you're gone type of things... I'm sure that doesn't help the situation either. Especially when you combine it with the brown-nosing syndrome.

[Dark Phinx]

yea, for one thing. AFROTC here is lacking more skills toward their field training, like learning how to shoot, making PT not manditory, and being a better leader in general. Army has more leadership skills that are taught than AF people.

Ok whis had gotten me in the mood to talk bad about my det. even more.
One of the flight commanders was really pissed off for some reason, instead of incouraging his fight he said out lout "I HATE MY FLIGHT" Yea, he's a real leader. Make them feel bad.

One LLAb before veterans day, our Wing Commander gave a big speach about being punctual, how Veteran's day is specal, and everybody had to be there on time. So the day of the ceremony, we were all in formation and the wing king was no where to be found. :shock: it was 10 till showtime and some cadet had to call him to get up, and he came with half his uniform on. :?

One of my friend, who's now getting out of AFROTC, was practicing how to march a flight one LLAB. She was sick, so she had some menthol candy in her mouth to stop her coughing. So she was marching her fight around, and then her flight commander stopped her, and told her to spit the candy in his hand. She did, but started coughing up blood as she went to the water fountain to try to stop her cough.


anybody have any rotc gone wrong stories?

[Sammy Sandbag]

So she was marching her fight around, and then her flight commander stopped her, and told her to spit the candy in his hand.

You are joking right? Christ, that is wrong.

[Dark Phinx]

yup, those are all true stories all right. :( There are more hideous camp tales too that i've heard too.





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